===Mageia is launched ! tada ! With a kind of magic ;-)===
Today, the 18th september 2010
http://mageia.org
http://mageia.cyprix.com.au/ (australian mirror)

==Information websites==
http://twitter.com/mageia_os
http://identi.ca/mageia
http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.user
http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.devel

http://www.zdnet.fr/actualites/mandriva-une-enieme-restructuration-qui-ne-convainc-pas-veritablement-39754779.htm
http://toolinux.com/Ils-n-avaient-plus-foi-en-Mandriva
http://www.osnews.com/story/23820/Mandriva_Fork_Announced_by_Former_Employees
http://linux.slashdot.org/story/10/09/18/1437248/Developers-Fork-Mandriva-Linux-Creating-Mageia
http://lwn.net/Articles/406058/
http://digg.com/news/technology/developers_fork_mandriva_linux_creating_mageia
http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/dfnsc/developers_fork_mandriva_linux_creating_mageia/
http://www.delicious.com/url/e7c31d4a8f1ad9b58d934f0fbdc63685
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODYxNg
http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?p=148435
http://www.absolinux.net/news/ip.php?central=news.php&news=116
http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20100920#news
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1733986/ex-mandriva-linux-staff-fork-distro
http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Mageia-Linux-announced/
http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2010/09/controlling-interest-in-mandri.html
http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS3165663211.html
http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Mandriva-Linux-forked-into-Mageia-community-distribution-1081928.html
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Disgruntled-Former-Mandriva-Employees-Launch-Mageia-Fork-157181.shtml
http://www.planet-libre.org/index.php?search=mageia#article1

http://www.fayerwayer.com/2010/09/mageia-una-nueva-distribucion-linux-que-nace-como-fork-de-mandriva/

http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mageia
http://www.boursorama.com/forum-mandriva-ex-mandrakesoft-fork-annonce-402328920-1
http://linuxfr.org/2010/09/18/27393.html
http://www.clubic.com/linux-os/actualite-366354-mageia-prochain-fork-mandriva.html
http://www.presence-pc.com/actualite/mandriva-magiea-40703/
http://www.generation-nt.com/mandriva-linux-mageia-fork-actualite-1082541.html
http://www.lea-linux.org/?p=439
http://www.programmez.com/actualites.php?titre_actu=Mageia-un-fork-de-Mandriva&id_actu=8137
http://www.webynux.net/distributions-linux/scission-chez-mandriva-mageia-apparait.html
http://pro.01net.com/editorial/521208/la-communaute-mandriva-se-separe/
http://www.journaldunet.com/solutions/breve/48558/mageia--nouveau-fork-de-la-distribution-linux-mandriva.shtml
http://www.presence-pc.com/actualite/mandriva-magiea-40703/

===Talking about forks===
http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/Blogs/Off-the-Beat-Bruce-Byfield-s-Blog/Forking-Time does not cite mageia though LibreOffice / MariaDB...

==Mandriva related websites==
http://blogdrake.net/blog/vfmbofh/la-fe-mueve-montanas
http://mandrivausers.org/index.php?/topic/105825-the-knife-has-been-wielded-pass-me-a-fork/?s=5e9db16abd1ff7f3ddcda3ec396ef5d7
http://www.mandrivauser.de/wordpress/?p=711
http://mandrivausers.ro/node/6279
http://mandrivalinux.gr/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=281:-linux&catid=49:2009-07-22-11-49-27&Itemid=18
http://mandriva-se.org/mageia-b%C3%B6rjar-d%C3%A4r-mandriva-slutar

http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org/news/news-0-157+bye-bye-mandriva-et-bienvenue-a-mageia.php
http://mandriva.education.free.fr/?p=361
http://www.mandrivafr.org/node/849

==Blog posts==
http://planetmandriva.zarb.org/ (aggregator)
http://www.happyassassin.net/2010/09/18/mandriva-news-mageia/
http://colin.guthr.ie/2010/09/there-is-no-spoon-but-there-is-a-fork/
http://fasmz.org/~pterjan/blog/?date=20100918
http://boklm.eu/b/log/tech/mandriva/new-distribution-mageia.html
http://artipc10.vub.ac.be/wordpress/2010/09/18/mandrivas-future-mageia/
http://my.opera.com/pacho/blog/mageia-mandrivalinux-fork
http://blogs.gnome.org/ovitters/2010/09/18/mageia-fork-of-mandriva/
http://kdepi.wordpress.com/2010/09/18/mageia-forking-mandriva-linux-yes/
http://skiperdrake.wordpress.com/
http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/open-enterprise/2010/09/are-we-entering-the-golden-age-of-forks/
http://blog.internetnews.com/skerner/2010/09/does-mageia-spell-the-end-for.html
http://ostatic.com/blog/mandriva-implodes-spawns-mageia-fork

http://iparxei-mageia.pblogs.gr/

http://andre-ani.fr/2010/09/18/bienvenue-a-mageia/
http://experiencelinuxienne.blogspot.com/2010/09/mageia-le-fork-de-mandriva.html

===cooperation proposals===
http://nowwhatthe.blogspot.com/2010/09/welcome-mageia.html opensuse buildsystem

==Forum entries==
http://forum.mandriva.com/viewtopic.php?p=827084#827084
http://forum.mandriva.com/viewtopic.php?t=131851
http://forum.mandriva.com/viewtopic.php?t=131856
http://forum.mandriva.com/viewtopic.php?t=131876
http://www.mandrivauser.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=178&t=29592
http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org/forum/topic-9378-1+mandriva-forke-8594-mageia.php
http://mandrivausers.org/index.php?/forum/63-mageia/
http://www.mandrivalinux.gr/forum//viewtopic.php?f=12&t=364#p1828

==Mailing lists==
http://lists.parinux.org/pipermail/linux/2010-September/033438.html
http://lists.parinux.org/pipermail/linux/2010-September/033439.html
http://listes.aful.org/wws/arc/interlug/2010-09/msg00009.html

==Logos==
http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia
https://www.dropbox.com/gallery/10106344/1/Mageia?h=325ad7
http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-art/pool/with/5008243187/


http://www.stlyrics.com/songs/m/moffatts2648/littlebitofmagic360173.html A little bit of magic
http://www.lyricsfreak.com/q/queen/a+kind+of+magic_20112487.html A kind of magic

As Arthur C. Clarke once said: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from 'Magic'"

17:10 < pterjan> magie magie et vos idées ont du génie

==chan affluence==
19h40 2010-09-18
19:50 -!- Irssi: #mageia: Total of 94 nicks [2 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 92 normal]
19:39 -!- Irssi: #mageia-fr: Total of 51 nicks [3 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 48 normal]
19:50 -!- Irssi: #mageia-es: Total of 11 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 11 normal]
19:51 -!- Irssi: #mageia-br: Total of 11 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 11 normal]
19:51 -!- Irssi: #mageia-dev: Total of 40 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 40 normal]

12h35 2010-09-19
12:34 -!- Irssi: #mageia: Total of 142 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 141 normal]
12:35 -!- Irssi: #mageia-fr: Total of 75 nicks [3 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 72 normal]
12:35 -!- Irssi: #mageia-es: Total of 8 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 7 normal]
12:35 -!- Irssi: #mageia-br: Total of 9 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 8 normal]
12:36 -!- Irssi: #mageia-dev: Total of 70 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 69 normal]

16h49 2010-09-19
16:49 -!- Irssi: #mageia: Total of 178 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 177 normal]
16:49 -!- Irssi: #mageia-fr: Total of 87 nicks [3 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 84 normal]
16:49 -!- Irssi: #mageia-es: Total of 13 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 12 normal]
16:49 -!- Irssi: #mageia-br: Total of 14 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 13 normal]
16:49 -!- Irssi: #mageia-dev: Total of 75 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 74 normal]

17h17 2010-09-20
17:17 -!- Irssi: #mageia: Total of 162 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 161 normal]
17:17 -!- Irssi: #mageia-fr: Total of 79 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 78 normal]
17:17 -!- Irssi: #mageia-es: Total of 18 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 17 normal]
17:17 -!- Irssi: #mageia-br: Total of 15 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 14 normal]
17:17 -!- Irssi: #mageia-dev: Total of 70 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 69 normal]

21h00 2010-09-21
20:58 -!- Irssi: #mageia: Total of 180 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 179 normal]
20:59 -!- Irssi: #mageia-fr: Total of 90 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 89 normal]
20:59 -!- Irssi: #mageia-es: Total of 17 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 16 normal]
20:59 -!- Irssi: #mageia-br: Total of 18 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 17 normal]
20:59 -!- Irssi: #mageia-dev: Total of 84 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 83 normal]


===some first questions===
Who?
developers, contributers, users, advocates are all welcome at mageia-discuss

Why?
we prefer to build a new structure where we (the community) have a better control on what happens on the distribution
where we don't depend on the strategic goals of the company
for example, if the company decides to focus on server only, who will manage the desktop releases?
in this case, Mandriva and Mageia will have to live together. I think that could be good to both distros
maybe, I believe the desktop part will mostly happen on Mageia though :)

What?
a new GNU/Linux distro

===other questions===
will the release structure change? you mean the release cycle?
yes 6 month or rolling ? rolling and a 2year LTS would be best! rolling is good I find rolling for bleading edge and 2 year LTS for stability
rolling is good, but requires a lot of dev efforts
well, by looking at the pclos forums, it seems that frequent updates also means software crashing from time to time, that's difficult to avoid in a rolling release if you don't put a lot of QA efforts, and strict deps between packages though, I can't really say about pclos, never really tried for a long time
sort of, but you can't consider cooker a rolling release, it's a bit too unstable :)
you can also do two branches cooker and rolling
I'd love this model as well, cooker + rolling + fixed snapshots every few months
a branch every 6 months is IMHO too much, yearly or a 2 year LTS would complement a rolling release better
if you have a rolling and release yearly only, you will be likely to have to download a huge lot of updates after the initial install :/


I always thought triagers should be packagers too, so that fixing easy stuff in packages takes less time ;)
also I’m in favor of dogfood, I mean, you work on packages you use every day
yeah :). and minor stuff getting fixed faster makes users happy, sometimes at least :)

http://www.myspace.com/mageia that would make a nice startup sound :)


sure, but if you want full-time employees working on the distribution, you also need a revenue flow for they work, and more or less directly related to their work, else it's not sustainable
in the beginning it will be love that starts this new adventure
I think if we copy the Mint donation system it will be as successful as for them http://www.linuxmint.com/donors.php
yes, but we're thinking about other revenue flows
but the donations page needs to have very soon, get the funds rolling in
they have to be related to the work on the distro, or you need a huge margin :)
http://www.linuxmint.com/sponsors.php for recurring donations

and have rss on cia-vc
maybe #mageia-commits and #mageia-bugs



Questions from #mageia-ru users. 1) does Mandriva SA own any software patents? Particularly, on drak* components? 2) what kind of policy do we expect concerning non-free and software patent covered software in Mageia? in other words, all the stuff that is hosted on PLF right now
1) no
2) excellent question
but they own trademarks
yes
on Mandriva
drak* are not registered

now that a company is no longer involved- we can consider patent encumbered stuff...maybe leave out the DCMA-style stuff like libdvdcss2?
I'm really not sure. I mean, I have no clear opinion about it. I guess it's good to think about it and discuss it.
not to be over-cautious, but to consider options.


I still think that a flame, heating a beaker, with boiling liquid in it, that emits a vapor that spells out Mageia would be appropriate. The 4 elements of alchemy in action.
Fire (flame), Earth (beaker), Water (boiling liquid), Air (vapor)
Done as a soft white (airbrush) on a matte black background.



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